Is It the Hype…? Or Is There Something about Esketamine You Really Want…?
Ok, you’ve been wishing for a remedy for your distress with this mood disorder. I get it. Something that will do more than take the edge off, but instead will really help you feel good again. You’ve heard about ketamine treatment, but having to go to an office and undergo IVs 6 times sounds just a bit daunting..? Then you heard about esketamine nasal spray, and that it’s close to receiving FDA approval. And it’s a nasal spray! How easy is that??
What’s more, you’ve looked on the internet and its cost will probably be a great deal less than a series of IV ketamine infusions in a doctor’s office because you should be able to administer it yourself..? What a perfect alternative! …or is it?
So your excitement is building that hope is around the corner…within a few short months…or maybe even weeks…?
But wait…
Take a breath…ok? Of course, it’s possible…but…
Just a couple weeks ago, Janssen (a company under Johnson & Johnson’s umbrella) announced that things haven’t been going all that well with their testing.
Well, they didn’t exactly say it like that.
You know that it takes a ginormous amount of testing to get FDA approval on a drug. And all that testing costs lots of money.
When a pharma company pours years of resources into R&D (research and development), they hope the compound they’ve made will do what it’s designed to do, what it’s supposed to do. But they’re taking the risk it may not.
And they have lots of investors to please.
It’s a bit early to make judgments about esketamine nasal spray. Janssen has had some good trial results, but some weren’t that convincing at all.
Back in May, they made an announcement that even though they’d had both promising and disappointing results with esketamine nasal spray, they weren’t discouraged about its potential. They were determined to continue the trials.
Of course, investors want to see a return on their investment. Insignificant or conflicting results won’t butter their bread, if you know what I mean.
Then, after announcing September 4, 2018, that they were applying for a New Drug Application (NDA) for esketamine, a few weeks later they announced that esketamine failed yet another study in their Phase III trials.
They said esketamine nasal spray had failed to meet its primary end point in this study…to lower the depression scale for these subjects significantly from the level they were at the beginning by 4 weeks after the esketamine doses began.
Frustrating for Janssen.
So much money, so much work, in laboratories across the globe.
So, let’s take a closer look at Janssen’s quest for FDA approval of esketamine.
It’s easy to understand that even as they made the announcement that esketamine had failed this study, they continued to point out all the tests it has passed. Reminding investors that a disappointment is no reason to throw the baby out with the bath water. (At least, they hope that won’t happen.)
When they filed the NDA on September 4, it was based on 5 Phase III studies of esketamine in treating people with treatment-resistant depression: 3 short term studies, one “withdrawal maintenance of effect” study, and one long-term study.
The long term study was aimed at establishing the safety of esketamine use up to 52 weeks, and it found that esketamine is generally well tolerated. Not that surprising, since ketamine is well-tolerated in controlled, small doses.
HUGE Disappointment for Janssen
But this most recent study, where results were announced September 21, 2018, showed esketamine nasal spray failed to meet a primary end point. It did not have a statistically significant positive effect in reducing depression symptoms in the subjects. Janssen is quick to say however, that even though the response didn’t meet the goal it was intended to meet… the numbers still support the use of esketamine combined with an antidepressant.
Really…?? How is that?
You get the feeling Janssen tries to do damage control in each of its press releases…. Pay attention to the good stuff…and minimize the bad. (There seems to be a lot of that going around.)
Still, look at this: The trial investigated esketamine plus an antidepressant at two different doses, 84mg and 56mg. The plan was to test both doses.
However, the larger dose didn’t shake out better than placebo! So obviously there was no point in testing the lower dose.
What a blow for Janssen.
I’ve not made it a secret that I’m skeptical of esketamine nasal spray. But, I’ll concede for now that the jury is still out as psychiatrists and researchers evaluate all of the results coming in from all of the clinical trials.
We’ve got a medicine with IV ketamine treatment that works — and more and more basic science, translational, and clinical research supports this. But look at all the cards stacked against esketamine.
And…if the goal is to have a nasal spray form that’s more affordable, comfortable, and accessible to more people, that’s understandable. We get it. (Even if that nasal spray form would make it easy to hide, easy to share, and easy to abuse. Those risks are formidable risks that need to be addressed.)
But why use just esketamine when ketamine works so well?
You know why.
Because of money. Ketamine can’t be patented after 50 years of use. Esketamine can be, if they can just get it to work…even half as well.
To take this a step further let’s look at the problem that happened in May.
May 2018 Press Release More of the Same
So in May, Janssen made another announcement. That it had just completed 2 studies in its Phase III trials. In one of the two studies, they announced that in a group of subjects 65 or older, esketamine nasal spray had failed to show statistically significant findings. (Yep, just like it did in this most recent study.)
So…wait…Does that mean 2 out of 5 studies failed to show any significant advantage over a placebo…?
Now let’s be clear.
In all of these studies, Janssen is investigating esketamine nasal spray in conjunction with an antidepressant in comparison to an “active” placebo compound delivered by nasal spray along with an antidepressant.
So, even with esketamine bolstered by an antidepressant like Lexapro, Cymbalta, Zoloft, or Effexor… esketamine showed no statistically significant beneficial response in patients with treatment-resistant depression. Even at the highest dose they tested.
Reasons Why Esketamine May Fall Far Short of IV Ketamine Treatment
1. It’s NOT ketamine! Esketamine is only the left-facing form of ketamine . Ketamine consists of right- and left- facing forms and esketamine is the left-facing. So with esketamine, some of the beneficial aspects of having both available may be missing. We’d love to think esketamine is the important one, and that maybe it does all the work, right? But…maybe not.
2. Traditional SRIs and SNRIs have not helped a full third of people suffering psychiatric disorders…so why would adding these partially effective medications help esketamine do a better job??
3. It’s a nasal spray, for goodness’ sake. Let’s talk about that.
Problems with Esketamine Nasal Spray
We’ve talked before about the differences in various routes of administration with ketamine.
A huge factor is bioavailability. You know, the amount of medicine that actually reaches your brain to treat it. Everything else is digested, or somehow altered, or bound by proteins, or otherwise eliminated by your body … which does you no good at all.
We give ketamine by IV, so it can go straight into the blood stream and straight to your brain where it’s needed to treat the problem. Virtually 100% of the ketamine we infuse into your blood stream goes exactly where it’s needed. And because the brain’s structures and systems are so very delicate, we want to be very precise about how much reaches it and how fast.
With a precise infusion pump and IV access, we can control those factors exactly. There are no obstacles that prevent ketamine from reaching the systems in the brain in the amount we want, at the rate we want. And we can slow it, and we can stop it at any time.
But what is it about a nasal spray?
In the case of a nasal spray, there are all sorts of variables.
It has to be absorbed through mucous membranes to find its way into your bloodstream.
So picture this:
- It has to emit a spray that’s a perfectly suspended and evenly concentrated mist to saturate your mucous membranes—that are hopefully healthy enough and not bogged down by inflammation from allergies or a cold to absorb it properly. (It wouldn’t be a good thing if some days you can’t absorb your medication because you’ve got a cold.)
- When you spray it into your nostril, it has to be aimed just right…high enough that it won’t drip right back out your nose and straight enough that it will be absorbed before it runs down the back of your throat and into your stomach to be digested — where it’s bioavailability will drop even further.
- It has to be sprayed so carefully that none is wasted in the air and gently enough that it isn’t sneezed right back out.
Then add to all this, that once sprayed, there are only a few seconds for absorption to bring change to the critical and delicate brain systems…the ones vital to you getting better.
With IV ketamine, there are at least 40 minutes that ketamine is being continuously infused into the blood stream reaching the brain at a precise dose and rate. 40 minutes vs. a few seconds!
Esketamine nasal spray has been in the news all this year…and last year too.
Anytime Janssen has an announcement to make about esketamine we want to hear it.
Even if it’s disappointing. Not meeting a primary endpoint on its large major Phase III trial for approval? HUGELY disappointing. Shocking, really.
So, while we wait, we’re so thankful we do have ketamine treatment. It doesn’t work perfectly and it doesn’t work for everyone. But when it does, it can save lives by stopping suicidal thinking in 4 hours or less. It can bring relief and remission to those who suffer the most with severe depression, bipolar disorder, social anxiety, PTSD, OCD, substance abuse disorders… It works fast.
And extremely well, better than anything we’ve ever seen.
At Innovative Psychiatry we see so many patients who get better every day. Not just 50% better, but completely better. We see them achieve remission, and they go on to enjoy life as the best they’ve ever been.
They’re creative again, motivated, full of initiative …and hope. With lives that have meaning. And they’re glad to be alive.
So if you’ve invested your hope in esketamine nasal spray, don’t let disappointing news stories push you to give up.
There’s still all kinds of hope available that we’ve never had before. It just isn’t in esketamine nasal spray.
At least not yet.
But ketamine is still going full steam ahead helping many patients who thought they were treatment-resistant turn around… heal… and be restored.
To enjoy their lives fully.
If you suffer from treatment-resistant depression, and the problems that often go along with it, call us.
We’re all about helping you reconnect with the best you you can be.
To the restoring of your best self,
Lori Calabrese, M.D.
Hi Lori, can Esketamine be administered thru my chemo medi-port?
Thanks
I don’t recommend that and I’m not aware of any infusion center which administer ketamine through a mediport or other chemotherapy ports. Mediports are reserved for chemotherapy, and only be accessed only by infusion nurses or physicians who’ve been trained in port access. Ketamine (which is a mix of esketamine and arketamine) is administered IV. But esketamine isn’t available yet in the USA. The FDA is reviewing the application for its approval next week, and the plans are for it to be marketed as a nasal spray if it gets approved–not as an IV solution.
Ketamine infusions CAN be administered through in implanted infusion port. You are correct in stating that the post must be accessed by a specially trained nurse or PA or MD, however the reason the port is placed is for people that will be receiving frequent or irritating substances.. I worked for almost ten years on an IV team and saw patients with ports for multiple reasons, including sickle cell disease and AIDS, or post-transplant. I would stress that an infusion port should be accessed under sterile conditions by someone very familiar with their use. YOU CANNOT ACCESS A PORT WITH A REGULAR IV OR OTHER NEEDLE AS IT WILL RUIN THE PORT.
Esketamine, is not half of the ketamine molecule. It is ketamine! Ketamine has two active isomers. R Ketamine and S ketamine. The S isomer is more psychoactive and believed to be beneficial., more so than the R isomer. I realize that your not a pharmacologist but you metioned twice that ketamine and esketamine (S ketamine) are not the same. In fact they are very much the same molecule just optical entaniomers. Like putting your left and right hand in front of you, same thing, just rotated differently. I dont know if you are trying to over simplify things by claiming that it is just half a molecule or if you were confused but it seems that you are dismissive of ketamine for this usuage.
Thanks so much for your comment! When I use the term ketamine in my writing, I’m referring to the racemic ketamine because that is the only form available in the US currently. And ketamine/racemic ketamine is composed of two optical isomers, S-ketamine (the left-facing one, also called esketamine), and R-ketamine (the right-facing one, also called arketamine). So esketamine is not the same as racemic ketamine. This is why it can be brought to the FDA as a new drug. We saw this with citalopram, when the S-enantiomer of it, escitalopram, was brought before the FDA marketed as a new drug.
Great news patients with treatment resistant depression. But as a psychopharmacolgist myself, I find it insulting that a 50yr old drug that self-medicators have been begging their psychiatrists to consider prescribing so they don’t end up in jail on misdemeanor possession is now being heralded as some miraculous feat of R&D efforts by Janssen who decided to make-up for the billions of court-awarded dollars lost to Talc-based cancer survivors by using their 20yr patent to charge $4000 for the enantomerically pure isoform of a known anti-depressant that sells generically for $0.38/mL. It’s disgusting. I can’t wait for a $10 hit of street LSD to go for $2400/ug as ‘Ergozil’ or something. I’d prefer these companies just be honest and say that their ADC biologic library of PD-1 mAbs is too expensive and can’t produce viable, FDA-approved therapeutics without easy money from over-priced & shamelessly rebranded generics.
Thank you for stating this so well. I can’t afford ketamine infusions, but fortunately my doctor prescribes ketamine from a compounding pharmacy. If I didn’t have him I would try to buy it on the black market because I see that as a better option to the severe depression I have or suicide. I would love to be able to try other psychedelics without risking a felony.
Thank you for this, Dr. Calabrese. Those of us who are symptomatic are always looking for the magic pill. The literature and trial data for Ketamine have been extremely exciting … until we learn that it costs 10’s of thousands of dollars and is not covered by basic or extended medical plans. In other words, it is not an option for most of us.
My insurance approved it today. Blue Cross/ Blue Shield Medical and Caremark pharmacy. Only took a week to get approved. The LISTED cost would be prohibitive, but no one actually pays that amount. The LISTED copay after insurance was going to be $370.00 per visit (twice a week), but after using the manufacturers discount card (will get when you sign up for treatment ) that brought the out of pocket down from 370.00 to just $10.00 per visit. Will start treatment next week…finally excited about a new treatment..after trying 9 oral meds and just completing 2 months of TMS (Trans cranial magnetic stimulation of the brain), with no improvement of symptoms.
Curious after a year and half, what your feedback is?
I’m just wondering and hoping the cost won’t be too much, even if the insurance covers it. The ball could be rolling by the time of my next appointment in a few weeks.
Pat
More of a question than comment.
I’ve an untreatable spinal injury after 11 surgeries, equally PTSD.
Opiates injured my heart enough to lower my heart beat to 30 BPM. Nearly Pace maker!
Ketamine has changed my life!
However I’ve been my own advocate as I’ve yet to succeed in finding a Dr with Ketamine education.
I’ve been off and on between nasal and sublingual Ketamine melts. Prefer the spray above the sublingual.
I’ve ran into issues I’m kept in the dark about. At times nasal Ketamine will work perfectly, my pain mitigated in a way never before, a quality of life I never thought possible. Added the releif Ketamine provides mentally, vs drugs such as cymbalta, Prozac ect, Ketamine littarly saved my life.
Due to many Drs I’ve seen, they are hesitant to prescribed ketamine or even investigate Ketamine.
My problem is I’ve had a harsh reaction to nasal Ketamine when bought at a particular Pharmacy in the Denver area, causing damage to my taste buds and burnt my sense of smell to nothing, the Ketamine did not work as usual and no pain releif or depression help.
Other times I’ll get a Rx from a different pharmacy and to my surprise in works!
Why!?? I can not convince my Dr, or find a different Dr who’s educated in Ketamine, only those afraid of it.
I’ve been told to look for a different option, there are no other options.
My time is borrowed, I know this, but to dismiss the one substance that’s actually worked and worked well enough for me to fill I have a second chance at life isn’t important enough to warrant a few phone calls to professionals to investigate why I receive mixed results.
Compounding pharmacys are not helpful at all, refusing to tell me what brand their using, how they are mixing (temperature) as I believe this is the difference, as well as quality of the product they are bringing into their pharmacy.
Anyone who may have helpful advice, please share and reply.
I absolutely look forward to hearing and sharing with others.
I also feel as though I am inhaling kerosene when using ketamine nasal spray. One of the things that seems to help is using 3-4 sprays of normal saline (like Ocean, and generic) then let that sit for a few minutes, and blow all of that out. After your nose is not dripping from the normal saline spray-salt water- the mucous membranes will be calmer, cleaner, moisturised and more easily absorb the ketamine spray. I also put a strong peppermint in my mouth to decrease that horrid taste if the spray goes down your throat. Squeeze firmly and evenly so you don’t get a whack that goes right down your throat, and you can try not inserting the pump as far so the medications can be absorbed instead of dripping down your throat. If your Rx is more than one spray in one nostril, wait 2-3 minutes between inhalation’s to give it a chance to absorb. Hope this helps.
What pharmacy did you use that didn’t work for you? Pencol? Belmar? Which did work? I
https://www.oxfordhealth.nhs.uk/ketamine-service/
Intravenous Ketamine treatment Oxford England .
I am hoping to get a referral for severe chronic anxiety and suicidal thoughts and history of suicide attempts following SSRI prescription..
You are very fortunate to be so close to Dr. Rupert McShane, MD who is a leading expert on the use of ketamine for psychiatric disorders—he is right in Oxford! Please reach out to him for consultation with my best wishes.
Is there a doctor in Sioux Falls, SD who knows about Ketamine or Esketamine treatment?
I’m not sure, but I would google “ketamine treatment near me” or “ketamine for depression near me” and see if there is a doctor nearby who offers it. Best wishes!
There are clinics everywhere in the US that offer ketamine iv infusions.
Since the FDA has approved the new esketamine it defiantly make a positive change.
I have received iv infusions and my depression is at minimum 50% better… granted that last about 6 weeks for me…
Can I repost your blog on my site?
No, it’s copyrighted. You may link to it from your site if you’d like.
I find it interesting that a product needs to be altered so the big bucks follow. SSRI’s are falling to the way side due to there lack of doing what they where touted to do. If an SSRI is needed to help esketamine spray,then it will do a mediocre job as well and cost way way more than Ketamine that does not have a patent . The depression anxiety story continues on.
My compounded ketamine spray costs me $75 .that comes to under $2 a dose. I use it about once a month. Yes somebody is making money off esketamine.
Need a rx nasal spray and how do you get it thanks a lot
Esketamine is the prescription nasal spray approved in the United States and the treatment is provided in a doctor’s office or hospital clinic. The brand name is Spravato, and to find a doctor near you who offers this treatment, use this link https://www.spravato.com/find-a-center
I’ve used a compounded version for six months. Its a valuable tool for me.
Do you feel weird when you take the nasal spray? I want to try it. Feel really hopeless..
Any one near Austin Mn taking the nasal esketamine spray? The doctor? Anziaty with depression. Panic attacks. What looks like seizures when I finally pass out. Buzzing, vibrating a horrible feeling I am dying or can’t breath. Recovering alcoholic/ addict. Any help appreciated .
Does anyone know if esketamine is as habit forming as is ketamine?
I am a patient with a medical background. I served on submarine duty for years and the stress was intolerable. My blood must have been 95% cortisol. It took a toll on me that is still wreaking havoc on my body and mind. I was dx’ed with dysthymia. I had just about given up hope on any kind of treatment until I read about Ketamine infusion.
I am utterly amazed by my response to it. I haven’t felt this good in years. I was looking into esketamine when I came across it and discovered a psychiatrist close by who was using it on qualifying patients. I go in every 3 weeks for a 45 minute infusion of 65 mg. Then about an hour to an hour and a half of recovery time. I have had 2 side affects. My visual acuity has changed and my migraine headaches have increased. I am trying to find a solution for the migraines. A different Rx for glasses helped with the visual acuity problem.
Thanks for posting.
IV administered Ketamine has literally been a life saver for me. I could not imagine taking Ketamine intranasally or sub lingually. There are just too many factors that interfere with any administration route besides IV. My Dr. Is one of the highest rated psychiatrists and is a consumate specialist in IV Ketamine therapy. She doesn’t and won’t be offering esketamine and I can’t blame her. Her kindness, caring and excellent professional ethics have kept me alive. Stop trying to get esketamine and stick with a drug and administration route that we know works.
Please post the name of this NYC doctor.